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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://billmyerscreations.com/blog/2008/04/02/what-the-well-dressed-hero-is-wearing/#comment-10220</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see it now, Steve's driving a (wait for it....) Mercury, right?  And it's a shame the banana hammock idea doesn't have any ap&lt;i&gt;peel&lt;/i&gt; for you.

That's all I have.  I'm too tired to think of anything else except stuff I think we've already talked about.  (Matrix-esque perception, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see it now, Steve&#8217;s driving a (wait for it&#8230;.) Mercury, right?  And it&#8217;s a shame the banana hammock idea doesn&#8217;t have any ap<i>peel</i> for you.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I have.  I&#8217;m too tired to think of anything else except stuff I think we&#8217;ve already talked about.  (Matrix-esque perception, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: billmyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>billmyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone, thanks for your suggestions. Except the banana-hammock suggestion. Keef, I love you like a brother, but you're demented.

I've thought about it and I've decided that the Victory Streak will not have a costume in the traditional sense but he will wear one outfit consistently when he is in action. I think I've settled on a look, and am slowly improving the weaknesses in my drawing skills. I will attempt to have another sketch posted this week.

Thank you all for your support and suggestions. Please keep both coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone, thanks for your suggestions. Except the banana-hammock suggestion. Keef, I love you like a brother, but you&#8217;re demented.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve thought about it and I&#8217;ve decided that the Victory Streak will not have a costume in the traditional sense but he will wear one outfit consistently when he is in action. I think I&#8217;ve settled on a look, and am slowly improving the weaknesses in my drawing skills. I will attempt to have another sketch posted this week.</p>
<p>Thank you all for your support and suggestions. Please keep both coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Keef Yourick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keef Yourick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Billsey...

i like the "anti-costume"concept. there is a consideration, though. i am reminded of the Pixar film "The Incredibles" in which the costume designer had made special uniforms for each of the family members depending on their abilities. the boy had super-speed and so his had to be made of material to handle the friction.
  perhaps at the end of each burst of speed his clothes can be tattered and shredded like coleslaw as part of his visual identity. then each panel you can change the logo or saying on his shirt because it would be neccessary.
and another identifying visual can be a "V" tattooed on the back of his hand or something.  and when he has chredded his clothes from power usage he should always be wearing a "Hello Kitty" banana-hammock.
i  like the idea of him not having to be visually ego-centric. heavy crowd-blendability makes him the everyman-hero a large percentage of the male  half of humanity wants to be.


Caveat Wombats</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Billsey&#8230;</p>
<p>i like the &#8220;anti-costume&#8221;concept. there is a consideration, though. i am reminded of the Pixar film &#8220;The Incredibles&#8221; in which the costume designer had made special uniforms for each of the family members depending on their abilities. the boy had super-speed and so his had to be made of material to handle the friction.<br />
  perhaps at the end of each burst of speed his clothes can be tattered and shredded like coleslaw as part of his visual identity. then each panel you can change the logo or saying on his shirt because it would be neccessary.<br />
and another identifying visual can be a &#8220;V&#8221; tattooed on the back of his hand or something.  and when he has chredded his clothes from power usage he should always be wearing a &#8220;Hello Kitty&#8221; banana-hammock.<br />
i  like the idea of him not having to be visually ego-centric. heavy crowd-blendability makes him the everyman-hero a large percentage of the male  half of humanity wants to be.</p>
<p>Caveat Wombats</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OR----

And this is a serious thought here----

What if, depending on what Steve VS is WEARING, that determines the color of the visible streak?  If he was the Steve from the first sketch, the streak'd be blue.  If he was in a dark business suit, the streak'd be black.  If he was in sweats, it'd be gray.

What, I can see you thinking, is the point of that?

Different color streaks, leading people to think there's a Victory Streak TEAM.  You could have a news crew at the scene of one event where the streak is blue, but since Steve would be moving faster than the 30 frames per second camera, all the camera would see would be a solid streak of color, and some eager beaver news person would conclude from the different colors that there's more than one.  They could even have the station art department come up with a "Probable Team Uniform" design that is completely goofy looking like a Jack Kirby acid trip or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OR&#8212;-</p>
<p>And this is a serious thought here&#8212;-</p>
<p>What if, depending on what Steve VS is WEARING, that determines the color of the visible streak?  If he was the Steve from the first sketch, the streak&#8217;d be blue.  If he was in a dark business suit, the streak&#8217;d be black.  If he was in sweats, it&#8217;d be gray.</p>
<p>What, I can see you thinking, is the point of that?</p>
<p>Different color streaks, leading people to think there&#8217;s a Victory Streak TEAM.  You could have a news crew at the scene of one event where the streak is blue, but since Steve would be moving faster than the 30 frames per second camera, all the camera would see would be a solid streak of color, and some eager beaver news person would conclude from the different colors that there&#8217;s more than one.  They could even have the station art department come up with a &#8220;Probable Team Uniform&#8221; design that is completely goofy looking like a Jack Kirby acid trip or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That could work for an issue or two, Micha, but there IS one glaring problem. 

Why would Steve be talking to Commisioner Gordon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That could work for an issue or two, Micha, but there IS one glaring problem. </p>
<p>Why would Steve be talking to Commisioner Gordon?</p>
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		<title>By: Micha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible to take Sean's idea here and combine it with a little batman with a touch og whimsy. Steve could move so fast that whenever somebody looks straight at him he zips so that he is always behind or to the side of people talking to him. So a conversation with the equivalent of Commissioner Gordon would have Victory Streak talking to him while his back is turned, and then when he turns around, victory streak shifts so that again he is standing behind him. 

Or maybe not. It depends on how you conceive the character, so long as you keep the milkshake idea. Strangely, few superheroes are known for their desserts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible to take Sean&#8217;s idea here and combine it with a little batman with a touch og whimsy. Steve could move so fast that whenever somebody looks straight at him he zips so that he is always behind or to the side of people talking to him. So a conversation with the equivalent of Commissioner Gordon would have Victory Streak talking to him while his back is turned, and then when he turns around, victory streak shifts so that again he is standing behind him. </p>
<p>Or maybe not. It depends on how you conceive the character, so long as you keep the milkshake idea. Strangely, few superheroes are known for their desserts.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading Micha's post made me think of something.  What if the Victory Streak's always in motion so he doesn't NEED a costume?  What if, when he's using his powers, he's VIBRATING so fast that he's nigh unrecognizable a la the Faceless Master from the Arishikage Clan or that Vibrating Guy from Psi-Force?  It could also open up some sideline possibilities--"Steve, why are all your drinking glasses plastic?" "Why don't you wear your grandfather's watch anymore?" "How DO you make these milkshakes so smooth?"

Okay, maybe not that last one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading Micha&#8217;s post made me think of something.  What if the Victory Streak&#8217;s always in motion so he doesn&#8217;t NEED a costume?  What if, when he&#8217;s using his powers, he&#8217;s VIBRATING so fast that he&#8217;s nigh unrecognizable a la the Faceless Master from the Arishikage Clan or that Vibrating Guy from Psi-Force?  It could also open up some sideline possibilities&#8211;&#8221;Steve, why are all your drinking glasses plastic?&#8221; &#8220;Why don&#8217;t you wear your grandfather&#8217;s watch anymore?&#8221; &#8220;How DO you make these milkshakes so smooth?&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, maybe not that last one.</p>
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		<title>By: Micha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My brain has been really numb for the last month or so. I'll try to jump start it for you, but I make no promises. What you might here is the sound of an engine that won't start.

Anyway...

1) Superhero costumes are kind of passe, but on the other hand you are going for the kind of classic feel for your hero, secret identity and all.

2) Superheroes don't need a costume per se if they have a distinct appearance, i.e. a costume or hair style. Buffy and Clark Kent are not good examples, for the reasons you stated, but Dr. Who (who've I only discovered in the last few weeks) or Wolverine are distinct even if drawn by different artists. Another example is Pete Wisdom of Excalibur, who wears a gray suit and tie. Lara Croft also. Bruce Willis in Unbreakable. Constantine. A coat, a sweatshirt, sunglasses, can be used. There was an Israeli Super Hero in a comic that only had two issues who had a KISS T-shirt. 

I like your idea of Steve wearing T-shirts with different logos, but I'm not sure it could work if you want to make Steve distinct.

3) Another approach was to have a costume, but not spandex, like in the X-men movies, or PAD's Fallen Angel, who wears a hooded cloak. 

4) Part of the thing here is that Steve, unlike say Wolverine or Buffy, seems to want to be recognized under the separate secret identity of Victory Streak, which is why super heroes wear costumes to begin with.

5) Another question is how Steve hide who he is? Or is it like Superman wear nobody makes the connection despite the similar face? Maybe the super speed makes him a blur without noticeable features?

So, what's right for Steve? 

I think the direction could be something along the lines of the first spiderman costume in the first movie, when he was wrestling. It was a costume, but it was clearly amateurish and made of regular clothing, since Steve is a wannabe hero. I'm not sure you could have a changing logo. but maybe he should wear a T-shirt or sweat shirt with some obscure logo, maybe a V, which the media will come to associate with Victory Streak but would actually be the symbol of something silly, like a dry cleaners or an old school? A forgotten rock band? I'm not sure.

We've been working on logos in the class I'm taking. Difficult job. Hard to come up with the right one. One guy kept coming up with logos that were similar to logos of real companies, like Pepsi, HP and Atari.

By the way, have any of you seen a British show called Jyckyl (a modern day Jeckill and Hyde)? It's pretty good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brain has been really numb for the last month or so. I&#8217;ll try to jump start it for you, but I make no promises. What you might here is the sound of an engine that won&#8217;t start.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>1) Superhero costumes are kind of passe, but on the other hand you are going for the kind of classic feel for your hero, secret identity and all.</p>
<p>2) Superheroes don&#8217;t need a costume per se if they have a distinct appearance, i.e. a costume or hair style. Buffy and Clark Kent are not good examples, for the reasons you stated, but Dr. Who (who&#8217;ve I only discovered in the last few weeks) or Wolverine are distinct even if drawn by different artists. Another example is Pete Wisdom of Excalibur, who wears a gray suit and tie. Lara Croft also. Bruce Willis in Unbreakable. Constantine. A coat, a sweatshirt, sunglasses, can be used. There was an Israeli Super Hero in a comic that only had two issues who had a KISS T-shirt. </p>
<p>I like your idea of Steve wearing T-shirts with different logos, but I&#8217;m not sure it could work if you want to make Steve distinct.</p>
<p>3) Another approach was to have a costume, but not spandex, like in the X-men movies, or PAD&#8217;s Fallen Angel, who wears a hooded cloak. </p>
<p>4) Part of the thing here is that Steve, unlike say Wolverine or Buffy, seems to want to be recognized under the separate secret identity of Victory Streak, which is why super heroes wear costumes to begin with.</p>
<p>5) Another question is how Steve hide who he is? Or is it like Superman wear nobody makes the connection despite the similar face? Maybe the super speed makes him a blur without noticeable features?</p>
<p>So, what&#8217;s right for Steve? </p>
<p>I think the direction could be something along the lines of the first spiderman costume in the first movie, when he was wrestling. It was a costume, but it was clearly amateurish and made of regular clothing, since Steve is a wannabe hero. I&#8217;m not sure you could have a changing logo. but maybe he should wear a T-shirt or sweat shirt with some obscure logo, maybe a V, which the media will come to associate with Victory Streak but would actually be the symbol of something silly, like a dry cleaners or an old school? A forgotten rock band? I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been working on logos in the class I&#8217;m taking. Difficult job. Hard to come up with the right one. One guy kept coming up with logos that were similar to logos of real companies, like Pepsi, HP and Atari.</p>
<p>By the way, have any of you seen a British show called Jyckyl (a modern day Jeckill and Hyde)? It&#8217;s pretty good.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one weakness through all the Raimi Spidey movies is how did he go from a sweatshirt to the costume?  Where did the costume come from?  Batman Begins did a good job explaining why the costume is what it is.  On the OTHER hand, I don't seem to recall the Collins family being next-door-neighbors to the Waynes, so Bruce's resources and, er, fashion designers aren't available.  Seriously, I really think some kind of headgear is the way to go.

I've got ideas about heroes in costume, but I have to run and get my wife lunch, so I'll put it in later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one weakness through all the Raimi Spidey movies is how did he go from a sweatshirt to the costume?  Where did the costume come from?  Batman Begins did a good job explaining why the costume is what it is.  On the OTHER hand, I don&#8217;t seem to recall the Collins family being next-door-neighbors to the Waynes, so Bruce&#8217;s resources and, er, fashion designers aren&#8217;t available.  Seriously, I really think some kind of headgear is the way to go.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got ideas about heroes in costume, but I have to run and get my wife lunch, so I&#8217;ll put it in later.</p>
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		<title>By: billmyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>billmyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I swear, when I said "running joke" the pun never occurred to me. That's why we need you around here, Sean.

As to yours and Jerry's questions: I don't know. I think I'm going to try some different looks and post them here to elicit your reactions.

I'm becoming more "anti-costume" with each passing day, but that leaves me with the challenge of creating a distinctive and easily recognizable look for the character. The only successful "costumeless" heroes I can think of are on T.V.: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Clark Kent on "Smallville," and Doctor Who, for example. They don't need costumes because the *actor* in each case provides the distinctive and easily recognizable look, along with a unique voice and mannerisms. You can't replicate that in a comic-book. The rigors of drawing a 22-page book on a regular basis make it all but impossible to spend enough time to nail down your hero's face perfectly in every panel.

I think there's a way to create a distinctive look without resorting to spandex. I'll be posting some alternative designs over the next few days. 

In the meantime, does anyone else have any views on whether costumes are still necessary for super-heroes? Discuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear, when I said &#8220;running joke&#8221; the pun never occurred to me. That&#8217;s why we need you around here, Sean.</p>
<p>As to yours and Jerry&#8217;s questions: I don&#8217;t know. I think I&#8217;m going to try some different looks and post them here to elicit your reactions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m becoming more &#8220;anti-costume&#8221; with each passing day, but that leaves me with the challenge of creating a distinctive and easily recognizable look for the character. The only successful &#8220;costumeless&#8221; heroes I can think of are on T.V.: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Clark Kent on &#8220;Smallville,&#8221; and Doctor Who, for example. They don&#8217;t need costumes because the *actor* in each case provides the distinctive and easily recognizable look, along with a unique voice and mannerisms. You can&#8217;t replicate that in a comic-book. The rigors of drawing a 22-page book on a regular basis make it all but impossible to spend enough time to nail down your hero&#8217;s face perfectly in every panel.</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a way to create a distinctive look without resorting to spandex. I&#8217;ll be posting some alternative designs over the next few days. </p>
<p>In the meantime, does anyone else have any views on whether costumes are still necessary for super-heroes? Discuss.</p>
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