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	<title>Comments on: All-Star Batman and Robin #5</title>
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		<title>By: Yaseen Hamid</title>
		<link>http://billmyerscreations.com/blog/2007/05/26/all-star-batman-and-robin-5/#comment-7576</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaseen Hamid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Sean, when it comes to Miller, people just expect too much of him. When it comes to Miller people always want another Dark Knight Returns or Daredevil Born Again. He is a victim of his own success, and he  thinks that everyone will buy and gobble up everything he dishes out.Wasn't he the one who 'brought Kane's Batman', the one who 'made comics darker' , inspired 'batman the animated series and batman begins'. No, it was Denny O'Neil that brought back Kane's Batman, it's Denny's Batman they are now doing in comics. Comics were already dark even before, Miller took it to extremes that no one wants to go there again. No, it was Bruce Timm, Paul Dini and other people's vision that made BTAS a success and brought back the real Batman, instead of the darker one in comics and DKR. Anyway, like I said, people give him too much credit even for stuff he was indirectly responsible for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Sean, when it comes to Miller, people just expect too much of him. When it comes to Miller people always want another Dark Knight Returns or Daredevil Born Again. He is a victim of his own success, and he  thinks that everyone will buy and gobble up everything he dishes out.Wasn&#8217;t he the one who &#8216;brought Kane&#8217;s Batman&#8217;, the one who &#8216;made comics darker&#8217; , inspired &#8216;batman the animated series and batman begins&#8217;. No, it was Denny O&#8217;Neil that brought back Kane&#8217;s Batman, it&#8217;s Denny&#8217;s Batman they are now doing in comics. Comics were already dark even before, Miller took it to extremes that no one wants to go there again. No, it was Bruce Timm, Paul Dini and other people&#8217;s vision that made BTAS a success and brought back the real Batman, instead of the darker one in comics and DKR. Anyway, like I said, people give him too much credit even for stuff he was indirectly responsible for.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexa</title>
		<link>http://billmyerscreations.com/blog/2007/05/26/all-star-batman-and-robin-5/#comment-1902</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, wow, I didn't even know there were other comments, and lo, they have also come to the exact same conclusion.  Yep, he's lost it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, wow, I didn&#8217;t even know there were other comments, and lo, they have also come to the exact same conclusion.  Yep, he&#8217;s lost it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexa</title>
		<link>http://billmyerscreations.com/blog/2007/05/26/all-star-batman-and-robin-5/#comment-1900</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank Miller has simply become a parody of himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank Miller has simply become a parody of himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://billmyerscreations.com/blog/2007/05/26/all-star-batman-and-robin-5/#comment-1899</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is, this whole issue is lame - it definately did not make up for how late it was with clever story and great art.  DC better make this one returnable to Diamond!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is, this whole issue is lame - it definately did not make up for how late it was with clever story and great art.  DC better make this one returnable to Diamond!</p>
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		<title>By: Ami Angelwings</title>
		<link>http://billmyerscreations.com/blog/2007/05/26/all-star-batman-and-robin-5/#comment-1898</link>
		<dc:creator>Ami Angelwings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miller HAS become a parody of himself! :\

Sadly, I think this is common with many "great" creators, ppl who in their younger days not only were famous but were heaped and heaped and heaped with praise and developed a huge following.

In Miller's case, I think it's 2 fold. :\  He's bought into the "Frank Miller is a genius who writes great mainstream breaking dark fiction" press too much and that's now all he's trying to be, and at the same time, he's trying to push the envelope again.

The problem is that thanks to DKR, the industry's alrdy done that, and in order for him to be different from mainstream comics that are alrdy dark (Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, Civil War), he has to go even crazier!

At least that's what *I* think is happening XDD

I totally agree with your post and I'm glad at least somebody isn't taking the opinion that ASBAR #5 must be brilliant parody simply b/c nothing could be that bad XD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miller HAS become a parody of himself! :\</p>
<p>Sadly, I think this is common with many &#8220;great&#8221; creators, ppl who in their younger days not only were famous but were heaped and heaped and heaped with praise and developed a huge following.</p>
<p>In Miller&#8217;s case, I think it&#8217;s 2 fold. :\  He&#8217;s bought into the &#8220;Frank Miller is a genius who writes great mainstream breaking dark fiction&#8221; press too much and that&#8217;s now all he&#8217;s trying to be, and at the same time, he&#8217;s trying to push the envelope again.</p>
<p>The problem is that thanks to DKR, the industry&#8217;s alrdy done that, and in order for him to be different from mainstream comics that are alrdy dark (Identity Crisis, Infinite Crisis, Civil War), he has to go even crazier!</p>
<p>At least that&#8217;s what *I* think is happening XDD</p>
<p>I totally agree with your post and I&#8217;m glad at least somebody isn&#8217;t taking the opinion that ASBAR #5 must be brilliant parody simply b/c nothing could be that bad XD</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Scullion</title>
		<link>http://billmyerscreations.com/blog/2007/05/26/all-star-batman-and-robin-5/#comment-1539</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Scullion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 02:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miller has one really big problem.

He's Frank Miller.

(Okay, guys, give Dick Grayson the axe back.)

What I mean, is, he's trying to out Miller himself.  People think of all the great things that he's done, and brother are there a lot of them, so it seems like anything he does lately is trying to outdo his past hero stuff.  But dark brooding uberserious ultravi stuff only goes so far.  BUT-and this is a big but-that's what Miller's fans expect.  So that's what he keeps cranking out.  With Frank Miller, like with any of the really good ones, you know what to expect.  But too many of the people out there want more morE moRE mORE MORE!  So, Miller and his editors try to give the people what they think they want, more Prototypical Miller.  What they don't REALIZE they want is Miller just being Miller, telling deep stories, engaging stories, stories with (GASP!) words in 'em.  Some of his older stuff was pretty text-intensive, just not dialogue heavy, but the story gripped you because it had depth.  Reviewers don't talk about Miller and depth.  They talk about the action, the violence, the darkness.  But the only reason that anyone cared was because of the characters that he wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miller has one really big problem.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s Frank Miller.</p>
<p>(Okay, guys, give Dick Grayson the axe back.)</p>
<p>What I mean, is, he&#8217;s trying to out Miller himself.  People think of all the great things that he&#8217;s done, and brother are there a lot of them, so it seems like anything he does lately is trying to outdo his past hero stuff.  But dark brooding uberserious ultravi stuff only goes so far.  BUT-and this is a big but-that&#8217;s what Miller&#8217;s fans expect.  So that&#8217;s what he keeps cranking out.  With Frank Miller, like with any of the really good ones, you know what to expect.  But too many of the people out there want more morE moRE mORE MORE!  So, Miller and his editors try to give the people what they think they want, more Prototypical Miller.  What they don&#8217;t REALIZE they want is Miller just being Miller, telling deep stories, engaging stories, stories with (GASP!) words in &#8216;em.  Some of his older stuff was pretty text-intensive, just not dialogue heavy, but the story gripped you because it had depth.  Reviewers don&#8217;t talk about Miller and depth.  They talk about the action, the violence, the darkness.  But the only reason that anyone cared was because of the characters that he wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Chandler</title>
		<link>http://billmyerscreations.com/blog/2007/05/26/all-star-batman-and-robin-5/#comment-1500</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 22:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the sad thing on my end being that I haven't even read the book. Miller on a Marvel or DC book used to mean a no thought pick-up. It was just something that was done. Then something began to change.

Miller was still doing work on non-hero books that was good, but any of his trips back into heroland seemed to be missing something as far back as the early 90's. Even his return to the Batman for his Dark Night Strikes Again series was... I don't know... Not bad so much as just &lt;I&gt;missing&lt;/I&gt; something. It was the first book I had heavy regrets about dropping the $$$$ for after reading it.

Miller's name just doesn't sell me the way it used to. Now, if I see his name on something, I'm more likely to wait for the TPB to come out and get the feedback of people I trust before even picking it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the sad thing on my end being that I haven&#8217;t even read the book. Miller on a Marvel or DC book used to mean a no thought pick-up. It was just something that was done. Then something began to change.</p>
<p>Miller was still doing work on non-hero books that was good, but any of his trips back into heroland seemed to be missing something as far back as the early 90&#8217;s. Even his return to the Batman for his Dark Night Strikes Again series was&#8230; I don&#8217;t know&#8230; Not bad so much as just <i>missing</i> something. It was the first book I had heavy regrets about dropping the $$$$ for after reading it.</p>
<p>Miller&#8217;s name just doesn&#8217;t sell me the way it used to. Now, if I see his name on something, I&#8217;m more likely to wait for the TPB to come out and get the feedback of people I trust before even picking it up.</p>
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